2020 BK short course

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  1. Jamie-M
    Jamie-M says:

    The pronoun chart is the stuff of nightmares! Coming from English, i think this is the hardest part of the grammar to get your head around. it feels really overwhelming initially, particularly seeing the full chart, and for most of us who will take for granted using the english equivalents without thinking about the grammar and how we are using them.
    Coming from Yolŋu Matha as the reference point makes this a lot easier, as most of the grammar is structured the same.
    Theres a lot of wrote learning in there, and grasping inclusive and exclusive forms in addition to dual (and trial) forms is definitely a challenge.
    BUT…. this is a large part of the challenging grammar, so once you start to get the hang of it the language really starts to come together (at least that has been my experience for Yolŋu Matha).
    I prefer to group the pronouns by the number of people involved (as the subject). 1 person I, you, he/she; then with 2 people us two (incl), us two (excl), you 2, those 2; then with 3 people; then the plural forms. i find doing this you then start to see patterns emerge which makes it easier to learn.
    practicing using them in practice sentences helps to consolidate them.
    having the reference chart on hand is invaluable.

  2. Melody-K
    Melody-K says:

    I found the grammar section of this unit very challenging. My favourite part was the ‘h’ glottal stop being added to words to denote ‘right now’. This is something I can easily hear when people are speaking in language, and also it is fairly easy to notice in written words/phrases.

    I’m struggling with the pronominal prefixes. I find distinguishing ‘yi-‘ (2SNG) added to words, easier than any of the others. Maybe because it is easy to make ‘yi’ correspond with the English ‘you’ in my mind. As for the other prefixes, ‘nga-‘, ‘kabirri-‘, ‘ka-‘ or ‘ngurri-‘ are the only ones I remember and I am completely confused about which is which as soon as I put down the pronoun chart. Any advice would be very welcome!

  3. Leigh-H
    Leigh-H says:

    Absolutely the pronominal prefixes are overwhelming. Having sing/dual/tri and plural. Wow! I’m just trying to persevere, print the charts and put them up to continually review them in the hope they sink in. Jamie – your tips on how to remember them is a good one – I, you, us and you two, we and you three and then we/you plural is a helpful way of understanding it.
    Learning kinship and skin names (which seems like so long ago!) has helped me remember the masculine and feminine na and ngal, though I definitely still need the chart in front of me to reference how everyone is connected.

  4. Zenobia-J
    Zenobia-J says:

    I found the grammar part of this week quite challenging,mostly because I was just lazy to learn the different forms and words! There are certainly some patterns that I can recognise, such as the use of berre in plurals, but I do feel that some of this I just need to learn. Reading the books and seeing it written also helps a lot to understand why and how to use the different pronominal prefixes. I feel like I will need to carry the chart around with me for the next little while. I am adamant to at least master some of it.

  5. Denise-H
    Denise-H says:

    The whole grammar and the chart- bloody hell, although I could do the quiz by following the chart, I really had no understanding if I was to speak this what to use. My head slightly hurts. This week will have to be reviewed many times. Obviously grammar. linguisticness (such a word) is not my thing yet.

  6. Steve-B
    Steve-B says:

    I found this week’s content really interesting. The prenominal prefixes take a bit of getting your head around at first, but I think I get it now. I have also been trying to learn some Spanish and it has a similar concept but at the end of verbs (perhaps that would be called “post-verbal suffixes”). I think I probably need to put more effort into working on my vocab. I have set up some flash cards using AnkiApp and it seems to work pretty well.

  7. Geoff-B
    Geoff-B says:

    That pronoun chart is one of the scariest things I’ve seen! But this is the good stuff, next level, to start getting beyond just knowing the names of a few things and a few phrases to actually putting a sentence together in a way that makes sense in Kunwinjku, and to be able to ask questions. While I don’t have any Bininj friends here to talk to, I’ve been saying things in Kunwinjku to my partner (the novelty hasn’t quite worn off for her yet, haha) and friends, and then explaining the meaning. I’ve also got some Kuninjku fridge magnets from Babbarra Women’s Centre in Maningrida so that’s been good too. I think I’ll just need to practice, especially with the pronominal prefixes by translating things in my everyday life, like if I saw a kangaroo at the dam (near where I live)… Nganang kunj kore kulabbarl (?). I dream of the day where I can speak Kunwinjku without having to think so much and constantly look back at my notes/charts 🙂

  8. Simon-C
    Simon-C says:

    The pronouns are a lot to take in, but seeing the chart like this helped me understand some of the conversations that we had with Bininj (in English). Often there was confusion when we said “We could do x” and soon we realised that everything was clearer if we said “We all could do x” or “We could do x together”. So now that all makes perfect sense… it’s English that’s deficient in this regard!

  9. Anabell
    Anabell says:

    Everyone who finished the Unit before me told me it will be intense.
    The chart was what I was waiting for in the units before already. I very early wished a chart for pronouns and then one for the prefixes.
    So that was defiantly satisfying.
    I realized I haven’t done a good job learning my vocabulary. That’s something I have to catch up with from previous Units.

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